Date:	Sun, 19 May 2013 12:01:53 +0200 (CEST)
From:	frankcmoeller@...or.de
To:	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Aw: Re: Ext4: Slow performance on first write after mount

Hi Andreas,

> Part of the problem is that filesystems are rarely unmounted cleanly, so it
> means that this information would need to be updated periodically to disk so
> that it is available after a crash.
> I wouldn't object to some kind of "lazy" updating of group information on
> disk that at least gives the newly-mounted filesystem a rough idea of what
> each group's usage is. It wouldn't have to be totally accurate (it wouldn't
> replace the bitmaps), but maybe 2 bits per group would be enough as a
> starting point?
> For a 32 TB filesystem that would be about 16 4kB blocks of bits that would
> be updated periodically (e.g. every five minutes or so). Since the allocator
> will typically work in successive groups that might not cause too much
> churn. 

Yes, you're right. The stored data wouldn't be 100% reliable. And yes, it would be really good if 
right after mount the filesystem would knew something more to find a good group quicker.
What do you think of this:
1. I read this already in some discussions: You already store the free space amount for every
  group. Why not also storing how big the biggest contiguous free space block in a group is? Then you 
  don't have to read the whole group.
2. What about a list (in memory and also stored on disk) with all unused groups (1 bit for every group).
  If the allocator cannot find a good group within lets say half second, a group from this list is used.
  The list is also not be 100% reliable (because of the mentioned unclean unmounts), so you need to search
  a good group in the list. If no good group was found in the list, the allocator can continue searching.
  This don't helps in all situations (e.g. almost full disk or every group contains a small amount of data),
  but it should be in many cases much faster, if the list is not totally outdated.

> It would be possible to fallocate() at some expected size (e.g. average file
> size) and then either truncate off the unused space, or fallocate() some
> more in another thread when you are close to tunning out. 
> If the fallocate() is done in a separate thread the latency can be hidden
> from the main application?
Adding a new thread for fallocate shouldn't be a big problem. But fallocate might 
generate high disk usage (while searching for a good group). I don't know whether
parallel writing from the other thread is quick enough.

One question regarding fallocate: I create a new file and do a 100MB fallocate 
with FALLOC_FL_KEEP_SIZE. Then I write only 70MB to that file and close it.
Is the 30 MB unused preallocated space still preallocated for that file after closing
it? Or does a close release the preallocated space?

Regards,
Frank

> 
> Cheers, Andreas 
> 
> > And you have to take care about alignment and there are several threads in
> the internet which explain why you shouldn't use it (or only in very special
> situations and I don't think that my situation is one of them). And ext4
> group initialization takes also place when using O_DIRECT (as said before
> perhaps I did something wrong).
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Frank
> > 
> > ----- Original Nachricht ----
> > Von:     "Sidorov, Andrei" <Andrei.Sidorov@...isi.com>
> > An:      "frankcmoeller@...or.de" <frankcmoeller@...or.de>, ext4
> development <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>
> > Datum:   17.05.2013 23:18
> > Betreff: Re: Ext4: Slow performance on first write after mount
> > 
> >> Hi Frank,
> >> 
> >> Consider using bigalloc feature (requires reformat), preallocate space
> >> with fallocate and use O_DIRECT for reads/writes. However, 188k writes
> >> are too small for good throughput with O_DIRECT. You might also want to
> >> adjust max_sectors_kb to something larger than 512k.
> >> 
> >> We're doing 6in+6out 20Mbps streams just fine.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrei.
> >> 
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